Member training from November 10th 2025.

In this presentation, we explore the principle of economic independence as an essential foundation of true liberty. You’ll hear a discussion about why separating ourselves from the systems of Babylon — especially financial dependence on corrupt governments and institutions — is not merely an option, but a necessity for any people who wish to remain free.

We’ll look at how scripture, history, and modern examples all testify of the same truth: that those who trust in “Egypt” for their sustenance eventually become its slaves. From Isaiah’s warning to the Israelites, to Brigham Young’s call for the Saints to “cut every thread” of dependence on the Gentile world, the message is consistent — God’s people must learn to provide for themselves, to trade among themselves, and to build their own communities rooted in faith and freedom.

The presentation also includes a short documentary segment highlighting one such intentional Christian community that has successfully applied these principles in our day. You’ll see families who live and work together — producing their own food, clothing, and goods — while raising their children in a culture of self-reliance and cooperation. This serves as a living example that it can be done, and that liberty-based living is possible even now.

Finally, we’ll discuss how these ideas can be applied locally through the Tree of Liberty Society and beyond — whether by forming small local networks, joining existing off-grid communities, or simply beginning to live more intentionally where we already are. The goal is not to retreat in fear, but to advance in faith — building strongholds of independence so we can resist tyranny more effectively and help others do the same.

Watch the full video featured in this nights training here: https://youtu.be/CVBkciLcZVA?si=Nupdi7OVPX5fXOei

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TRANSCRIPT
Heavenly Father, we’re grateful to be able to meet together once again to discuss
liberty and the things that we can do to help align our lives with your will.
We pray for the Spirit to be with us tonight. Help us all to be receptive and to
listen and to find ways that we can do things better. And we ask these things in
the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
So talking about economic independence. We talked about this Lots of times, but what
we’re going to be covering is going to be additional angles, additional aspects,
additional action items, actionable items to be taken, and just some things that will
hopefully spark your imagination and say, okay, I’m starting to get the big picture
or, okay, I can see how this is a thing that is possible, that it’s not you know,
some, some theory that, you know, there’s no application for. But it’s a necessity.
It’s a necessity. It’s not, it’s a necessity. It’s not just possible, but it’s a
necessity. And so, of course, as always, we need to make sure that we are not
perishing because of lack of knowledge. We need to make gaining knowledge a priority
if we are going to be successful in the fight for liberty And everything that we’re
doing here in the context of what we’re talking about tonight is the building,
understanding, and adherence to the principles that have built free nations, exposing
the satanic conspiracy, and then build an effective resistance to that conspiracy.
This is going to be practical application of doing all of those things, actually.
So I know we’ve talked about recently,
some of the things I’m going to be bringing up, but we see here just recently with
the I’m sorry.
Another thing that he just announced was he’s going to be sending out checks for $2
,000 a person to be paid. And then whatever’s left over from the tariffs,
he is going to just going to be paying off the debt. So redistribution of wealth,
bigger and bigger government, making everybody more and more dependent on government,
just like was done during his first administration during the fake pandemic and the
illegal shutdowns. We see here again, Fed coin is happening. and we talked
things in play where we have alternative options for us available.
So that way, we can still feed our families. We can still have housing and we can
still provide for ourselves, even if we don’t participate in these digital IDs. And
even if we don’t participate in these digital currencies that are controlled by,
will be controlled through social credit schemes. And so it’s just vital.
And we just see things happening every single day that show the importance of us
moving into this direction. Because just like, so with this idea of a 50 -year
mortgage, this is literally implementing what Klaus Schwab and the World Economic
Forum talked about of you owning nothing and that you’re supposed to be happy
because because you’re a supposed homeowner, whereas what you really are is a
perpetual renter from the banks.
And bankers like Klaus Schwab.
And so this, you know, the traditional things that we talk about all the time, our
founding fathers, the ancient, you know, Moses, the pilgrims, they didn’t just say,
we just need to, you know, vote harder. That was never, that wasn’t the solution
that they were engaged in because that’s not a solution that works. But at the same
time, they weren’t quitters. They didn’t give up. They weren’t like, I’m just going
to sit here and talk about how moral I am and how bad the king is.
They were actively engaged in solutions that are eternal solutions that always work,
that have proven to work throughout time. And so we talk about this, right? What
they did is what we cover in our member manual, and it’s encapsulated in this quote
by Brigham Young, where he says, we do not intend to have any trade or commerce
with the Gentile world for so long as we buy of them, we are in a degree
dependent upon them. The kingdom of God cannot rise independent of the Gentile
nations until we produce, manufacture, and make every article of use,
convenience or necessity. We will have people abroad among all nations until we can
obtain and collect the raw material for our manufacturers. It will be their business
to gather in such things as are or may be needed. So we shall need no commerce
with the nations. I am determined to cut every thread of this kind and live free
and independent. So that is the process of becoming free and independent.
That is economic independence, which leads to political independence and political,
economic liberty and political liberty. They are just, they are intertwined and
inseparable. And as much as we are dependent upon our enemies to be able to feed
ourselves, to house ourselves, to close ourselves, to provide for our families, we
are enslaved to them. And so it is essential that we build a network where we can
do these things and not be a part of that system that is our enemy, or about
enemy. They admit that they’re our enemy and that they hate us and that they’re
trying to kill us. And so it is essential that we do everything that we can to be
able to implement this amongst ourselves. So we look at the scriptures,
and it’s throughout, throughout all of the scriptures,
we are warned about this principle. The prophet Isaiah says, woe to the rebellious
children, say at the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me, and that cover with a
covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin. They walk to go
down into Egypt and have not asked at my mouth to strengthen themselves in the
strength of Pharaoh and to trust in the shadow of Egypt. Therefore, shall the
strength of Pharaoh be your shame and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your
confusion. And so I would say just replace the word Egypt with the United States or
with the world and Pharaoh with the government. Because what he’s warning about is
what he’s talking about is the fact that God’s people, or people that were
considered themselves God people, God’s people, were not trusting in Him, but they
were saying, look at what Pharaoh, look at the world could give us, and it was
safe. And it was, and it was something that I didn’t have to have as much risk.
And the Lord is, through Isaiah, is telling them that it’s going to be to your
shame, that you depended on the world instead of God.
And in Leviticus, right, this is the pattern that the Lord has set that he shall
be holy unto me for I, the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people
that you should be mine. So when we’re connected with that system, the enemy of
liberty, the enemy of God, then If we are severed from them,
then we are not dependent upon them. But when we are a part of them, we are
enslaved to them because we will do whatever it takes to be able to receive that
money or, you know, pensions or welfare checks or food stamps or whatever it is
that we are dependent upon them for our jobs, being able to get groceries, then we
are a slave to them. But if we are going to be holy and if we are going to be
God’s people, then we are severed from them, and so that way we are only dependent
upon God for our sustenance.
So then when I talk about these things, this is a really a very common question,
a response that I will get. This individual writes to me and says, do you know of
people who are successfully refusing and withdrawing from those kingdoms while still
being able to exist in society besides the Amish. I’m wondering how that would work
practically. Okay. So it really goes back to this idea of,
you know, only the Amish can do this. And so, right, that this is a, this is,
we’re not saying that, you know, the Tree of Liberty Society is telling everybody to
just be Amish. That’s not what we’re talking about but that’s kind of what people
think about because they are able they have been able to be separate they don’t get
vaccines they don’t have to obey certain traffic laws and they’re able to separate
themselves with tap from taxes and and different things along those lines and so
that’s that is something that people bring up but that’s not what we’re saying there
are other options out there than just becoming Amish and so but the other problem
with what he’s saying there is these you know, this is, to me, is the,
I don’t know if it’s a conclusion.
of Egypt? No, they had to leave Egypt. The pilgrims, they left Europe.
And the founding fathers, they separated themselves from England. And so that it’s
not about being able to be within this thing. It’s really about doing the exact
same thing that other people have done that have gained their liberty.
So I’m going to play it. This is a longer clip. This is from a 45 -minute video.
I would encourage everyone to watch the full video. It’s a very interesting video
and gives a lot of practical examples and practical advice and shows how these
things can be done and without being quote -unquote Amish, giving up all technology,
giving up all the things that we’re all used to. But at the same time, not being
dependent upon Babylon for our sustenance. And so this is, it’s about 11 minutes.
And so I ask you to bear with me to watch this video. I don’t do this very often
in training, but I thought that showing you these main portions of this longer video
was essential to helping maybe some things click that I couldn’t share with you
otherwise, just with own words. So it’s it’s showing people doing these things in
real life right now and being successful at it.
There’s a lot of people that feel the shaking. There’s a lot of people that
recognize things aren’t going to be able to continue to go if they have and that
changes are coming.
And their response to that a lot of times is fear or You might hear the term
prepper, and a lot of times that is stockpiling lots of things, stockpiling food or
stockpiling ammo. That’s not really our approach. The idea of stockpiling and the
nature of it is not sustainable. That’s what the stockpile is, is that it’s going
to have an end, and we’re trying to think about it from approach that how could we
recognize that there are changes coming, things are failing, things are not going to
always go as they have. And can we be doing something to prepare for that that has
a look ahead in a positive way that maybe can teach people how to sustain
themselves or bring people together in a way that’s not antagonistic, but is
cooperative. It’s sort of the same shaking. We’re not in disagreement that things
aren’t failing. We just, we want to respond to it in a way that brings hope and
brings cooperation. This land is community -owned. It’s about 500 acres.
So there’s 1 ,200 of us here, maybe 350 families. You know, I read a quote
yesterday that said, “We all want progress, but sometimes recognizing that you’re on
the wrong road and getting off and going to the other road is the right thing.
And in that case, the first person to jump off and turn around is the most
progressive. That was C .S. Lewis. This building was, it was assembled as a mill
around, I think, 1760. So this is a pretty standard Dutch -style German -style barn.
So this is operated entirely by the water wheel outside. There’s a shaft that’s
coming into the basement. What transfers the power here to the upstairs are these
two belts. So you’ve got this.
that ball bearings and bushings have not yet been invented, but that vertical shaft
is running, as you can see, straight and true. And what they have found is this
makes an excellent bearing. You can recognize what that is, right? It’s that corn.
That’s a corn cob. You can actually see the bottom of them. We estimate some of
those cobs are over 100 years old. And they work great. That’s the hard red wheat
berries that comes down into this tray and when the top of the tray fills to the
bottom of the elbow the flow stopped so this is self -feeding self -regulating see
how this it’s rocking back and forth that’s why it’s called the cradle well the
cradle’s being rocked by this stick which is called the damsel so the damsel rocks
the cradle and it’s right here where the grain falls into the center of the eye of
the stone Of course, over time, a wooden damsel will be rounded out to a wooden
dowel, in which case we have a damsel in distress. So this is a pecan tree here.
There’s some pecans, there’s some plums, there’s some peaches. We’re always trying to
improve the orchards. You want to think about where can there be another garden?
Where can there be a greenhouse? What can we do with animals? How can we graze
that one year and do something different? You see over here in the corner we’ve got
some bees. So the bees are pollinating the garden. We’ve got a beekeeper that
spreads those hives around and mines them. It’s always in flux. Here lately we’ve
been working on a hydrology study to dam up some of the gullies and some of the
creeks that kind of run through this land and slow down the water to try to
recharge the water table. Because if you let that water just run straight through,
it will go right to the river and you start to lose your water table. But if we
can slow it down and dissipate it and retain it, We can start to recharge some of
our shallow wells that are down on the bottom land that are feeding the farm. And
you make things out of leather? Exactly. So these are kind of your men’s toilet
your bag. We call them a dock tip. We’ve got wallets. We’ve got that folios. Our
number one seller is these flashwaters.
Did you grow up here? I did not. So how’d you hear about it? So we’re from
Arkansas. A friend of mine found out about the place when he was in Texas, and he
told me about it. And some of our friends who started this shop in 2015, we began
good friends with them and started helping them around here. Eventually, we took
things over for him. Are you guys wanting to do the problem of using chemicals for
tanning? We’re actually working on doing some of it ourselves. Without chemicals, it’s
a challenge, right? It is. If we did it, we would start with just like an oak
bark tan and try to avoid the heavy chemicals and do like a natural vegetable tan.
Yeah.
There’s always people coming from other places. They come with an idea or a vision
or a hope or they realize there’s another piece that we’re not doing. Sometimes
people rekindle a dream maybe they had a long time ago. For me, it was just to
work from home and to be with my family and kids. To be able to do weather
working and we do some woodworking, it’s pretty special.
craft at a young age. And you still live here? Yes, I live on the farm here. So
it’s about a five -minute bicycle ride to work every morning. I’ve been working here
in the shop for 28 years. Building lots of custom furniture classes.
This, the Windsor chair here. You made this chair? Mm -hmm. Oh, it looks antique. We
usually do an antiquing on it. So for this one, we start with a log, and we split
the wood out with a sledgehammer, wedges, split it down into little spindles. So one
of these little sticks will become one of these sticks for the back here. Okay. And
these pieces here are steamed. So we take it from a log that’s wet, steam these
pieces to bend them, and then make the whole chair. So we start Monday with a log
and paint the chair Saturday. Fiber crafts and textiles is pretty much dead in
America. It’s all been farmed out and all mechanized.
We do a lot of weaving, a lot of spinning. These looms are from all over the
place.
There’s kind of your three basic needs for life, food, clothing, and shelter. And
textiles has been so farmed out and is such a commodity, we actually forget about
textiles. And part of the journey back to sustainability is going to include textiles
too, and being being able to make our own clothes, make our own garments, and deal
with fabrics. So we had a class of young boys that wanted to make their own coat.
And so they spun their own fabric, they wove their own fabric, and then they sewed
their own coat. And that was the second year floor loom class. They started in the
spring, and by fall they had their coat for the winter. And so that would be a
senior project that some young men or some young ladies might do. We’re really
trying to rediscover what it is to really provide for ourselves. Different people
find their way in different places. You know, some people, farming is full time and
a real passion and other people, they’re just gardening. Or some people are really
into having a couple of animals and other people aren’t really having animals, but
they’re really into doing field crops. And so everybody kind of finds their way of
like, what steps for me and my family am I needing to make to make ground? And
everybody kind of finds their way. This seems so idyllic, but I’m guessing there’s a
lot of work behind this that you don’t see. Yeah, a lot of people move here, or
they come from other places, they come from other backgrounds. And when you’re making
a big shift, it really does come at a cost. You have to decide is what I’m going
for worth what I’m going to set aside here. My wife and I felt like we needed to
get out of the suburbs, and we needed to reconnect with the land. And we knew
about this community and we wanted to make ground coming this way, it was going to
take a major shift. You know, I was going to have to quit a job that I loved and
do something in the meantime. I took a metal panel job and I was selling metal
panel instead of running a construction company and that was a, it’s quite a
transition. And I remember one particular morning trying to pull a goat out from
under a fence and I was dressed to go meet clients, But I go out and my goat is
escaping out from underneath the fence again. So I go grab her and I pull her back
in the fence and I try to patch it up. Now I’m all dirty. I got to go back
inside. I thought, boy,
this is going to be a lot harder. It was a lot easier for me in Austin. And so
standing there, you really weigh like, what, what am I doing? But I felt like this
was going to be worth it. And so We stayed at it, and it wasn’t long before an
opportunity open to start working with the barns. I certainly recognize the feeling
of seeing things not going well in our greater culture, but for me,
I don’t think it’s going to be much of a life if that means I need to go hide
underground. I don’t know that that’s a life I want. But I have some kind of hope
that we can pull something together where things begin to fail or unravel, and
there’s a place where people feel like they can come and cooperate together. That
has a lot more hope and meaning to me than preparing a place where I’d go hide.
We know the whole combination of steps that we need to take to really get
sustainable, to really make a complete ejection is not going to happen in one
generation.
We want to be clear in the direction we’re going, and we don’t want to be
impatient, we want to be thoughtful, and we want something that we start to last
and take root, and recognizing the bigness of the vision of really achieving
sustainability, we know it’s not a single -generational kind of vision. It’s going to
be multi -generational. Oh, it is idyllic. Yeah, it’s really, it’s really amazing if
you can pull it off. Yeah. It’s like that once in a while dreams come true sort
of scenario.
There are a lot of things that I thought were really, really neat about what
they’re doing, right? They have multiple different industries that they are all
engaged in on this one property where they have their own individual homes that it’s
not like a commune. I mean, if somebody likes a commune, that’s fine. But they all
have their own individual homes. They all have their own individual jobs. But right
there on the property, they are producing the things that they need to eat. They
are producing the things that will be, that will clothe They, not only that, but
they are teaching the youth. They are making it a part of the culture where the
next generation is learning how to woodwork, how to sew jackets, how to do the
things that they need to be able to provide for themselves. And so they don’t need
the digital ID. They don’t need digital currency. They’re able to take care of
themselves and not be a part of any type of system that is trying to enslave them.
Because this is what true freedom is, is being able to provide for yourself and to
live amongst a people that you are of like mind with on these things. You all have
the same goal working in the same direction. And in fact,
these people all belong to the same church. They’re all part of the same religion.
And so this is their website, Heritage Ministries United. These are the different
locations where they have these communities all over the world. And so this is based
on their church, their specific denomination, I mean.
And so if you go to their website, Heritage Ministries United and look on there.
And if that’s, you know, just that’s an example that if that is something that is
appealing to you, you could look into. But there are other ones because just like
I’ve talked about before with Samuel Pufendorf, where he says that people that are
combined together have to be of agreement on these things. Otherwise,
it’s going to, it’s going to turn out bad. They’re going there. The parties will
clash as he says. And so this isn’t for everyone because they have standard.
They have a certain standard. They have a certain faith that they’re all united in.
And so if those things are something that you’re united in as well, that is
something to look at because these are people that are already doing these things
right now. Other websites, you have the Bruderhofs and they go to their website and
they have a similar thing. These are all called intentional communities, and they’re
based on Christian denominations. And so they have different groups of people at
different places, but they’re all working together to be able to provide for
themselves and to be separate from this system, and so they can follow those
biblical principles. And of course, you know, how they interpret those biblical
principles will be different according to each of those communities, which is fine.
that’s what they
might see in TV and movies. They do accept some modern technology,
but they’re actually growing in population and membership throughout the last 50
years. They’re not stagnant. They’re not decreasing. They’re not declining. They are
actually dramatically increasing. And so this is something that is attractive to a
lot of people because as the guy in the video said, it’s just becoming more and
more obvious to people that what is going on right now is not sustainable.
And so the next thing is, you know, the question is what about Catholics or
Mormons, right? Or Latter -day Saints? And so there are many different kinds of
Catholics or many different kinds of Mormons. All of them have a basis in this idea
of apostolic authority or keys. And so what that means is this makes these non
-denominational or Protestant Christian communities really a non -option because if
you’re if you’re a Mormon of any of any variety you’re going to want to be around
people of like money and they’re these people and these
non -denominational or certain Christian Protestant Christian religions aren’t going to
want to have you there on the same thing for Catholics right and so they’re not
going to be of the same thing so are there options for people that are part of
churches that maybe might not align with those communities.
And so I wanted to share you with those. A few months ago, I brought on a couple
of representatives from the Utah OSR land co -op. And then Rod and I actually went
out and visited them at their community and looked at what they were doing. And the
people out there, they are a mixture of all kinds of different faiths coming
together and working on it. They’re not an intentional community. They’re an off -grid
community. And so at the same time, they’re not like a co -op,
but they are working together to be off -grid, to be able to produce the things
that they need to be able to live themselves. And so they have that one down,
I mean, up, I don’t know what you’d call that. And is that central or north
central Utah out in the middle of nowhere. That same organization, they have one in
Arizona. I know you can’t really see that’s Northern Arizona. So up over here is
the Flagstaff area. So we got
Lowe area right there. So it’s just south over by Snowflake.
If anybody knows where Snowflake, Arizona is there in between Snowflake and Sholo,
Arizona. And so again, this is one of those communities where they’re not a,
they’re not a religious based community. And so people from many different faiths
have decided that this is the place that they want to go to to be able to live
more intentionally where they can work with others to be able to produce the things
that they need to be able to live and not be a part of this new world order
that’s coming up.
These are other organizations. These are the cooperative and they have a couple of
different fundamentalist Mormon communities where they’re working towards these types of
ideas. And then we have these other ones where you are more Catholic, where they’re
actual communities where you go to to actually live in a community setting where
you’re all not a part of the newer order, but you’re working to provide for those
things amongst yourselves as a Mennonite or an Amish community would, but without
those specific religious or lifestyle restrictions.
And so, right, these voting harder isn’t what works. Voting harder isn’t going to
solve the problem that we’re in. It’s, We are in the same situation as those that
have gone before, where it’s time that we separate ourselves from those that want
that, from what’s what’s coming, and those that don’t. And so we’re not giving up.
We’re not quitting. We’re not, you know, just saying we’re going to, we’re going to
just ignore what’s going on. We’re recognizing what’s going on and we’re fighting
against it. But While we’re fighting against it, we are making sure that we are
building a path where no matter what Babylon does, it doesn’t matter because we have
a separate path that is free. No matter what, if a digital currency comes and I
can’t go to the grocery store without my digital currency, it doesn’t matter because
I’m living in a community that’s producing our own food.
If you have to be able to earn the digital currency to be able to have a job or
have a digital ID to have a job, and be able to travel to your job, it doesn’t
matter because I’m living in a community where I’m taking a five -minute bike ride
like the guy in the video said, and I’m driving, I’m riding my bike to my job.
And so where I might not be, you know, where I’m not taking the Fed coin to be
able to provide for my family. I’m working with others to be able to provide for
them, and they are, you know, and they provide things for me. And so that way that
they can, we can all of us be intentionally working towards a free society instead
of the one that is being built up around us. And so going back to the things
that’s listed in our member manual, right, members of the Tree of Liberty,
society should seek to do one of the following work to bring their neighbors into a
place where they desire liberty and will behave in a way that allows them to have
true liberty so if you want to stay where you’re at you like where you’re at what
i would recommend then is you build what would the something similar to what’s going
on that what we show we saw in that video today right where you are that’s great
if you can find people right where you are and build that kind of a community
right where you are, awesome.
Or you find a place where people are already living like this, such as what I just
showed you. There are lots of people already doing this. It’s not impossible because
otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it. There are people doing this right now. And if
finding those types of people is what you want to do. Go find those types of
people.
Or the third option is to work to find others to then establish another gig. You’re
like, okay, there’s not enough people right in my neighborhood. You know, I don’t
want to do this in my neighborhood anyways, but I’m developing a network of
individuals where we want to be able to do these things. And so we’re going to go
work together and find a place we can all go to to do these things.
And so,
is a part of what we do. And so if you’re inviting them to our meetings, if
you’re distributing our materials to them,
then you are helping to bring more people to this. So you can find people to
either gather to, find people to gather together to, or to build in your own
neighborhoods where you’re already at, this type of culture where you can, where you
don’t have to be a part of this. Because as we talked about before, it’s essential
that we do not, that we’re in a position where we’re not going to say,
well, we’re going to put up with it and build that,
what’s it called, where you have this normalcy bias where you’re just used to it.
You’re like, well, if I want to keep my job and feed my family, then I have to
take the digital ID. If I want to feed my family, I have to get the digital
dollar. If that’s a non -option for you, this is the only other solution.
You’re either a part of Egypt and Babylon or you’re a part of this.
Those are the options. How you get there is up to you. These are different ways of
getting to that situation, but those are the two options. And so some people would
say, well, why not just build a tree of liberty society community, right? With all
of my millions of dollars, I’m going to go buy, well, I don’t have. A bunch of
acreage and everybody that’s in the Tree of Liberty Society moves out there, and we
all do this ourselves. And so I want to bring up, I brought up this reference to
this code earlier, but I want to bring it up again because it’s an important
principle behind why we don’t just do that orson spencer he explained men of
congenial interests should separate themselves from those of adverse of the adverse
interests and pair off each to each the promiscuous intermixture of heterogeneous
bodies for the purpose of unity and strength is like distant both from pure religion
and sound philosophy. And so he’s just reiterating what Samuel Pufendorf had said and
other natural law teachers know. And what history teaches us is that,
you know, we might be good friends and we might support one another to reach
unified goals of universal liberty. But if we are not unified on all of these
principles, we would jeopardize that friendship and actually eventually we would end
up fighting each other. And so it’s important for us we can work together on these,
you know, outside things. But if we were to build a community, we should be of,
you know, I like what that community is doing. They’re all of the same religion. I
think that that video that we watched, even though they’re not my faith, I love, I
would, that’s the thing. I wouldn’t live there because I’m not of their faith. But
I would love to help them and support them and work with them to do that. And I
would love to help and work with others to do that with where they’re at according
to the principles that they follow. But I want to make sure that, you know, the
people that I am working on government with and that we’re working in our
neighborhoods on a day -to -day basis, that we’re unified on all those core principles
and so that we don’t clash. And so there’s logistic reasons, you know, resource
reasons, but it really
do this. And so as much as we can put it off is great.
We’re warning as we’re warning others about what’s coming. And we put it off. That’s
fantastic.
But really where our core strength is is in building strongholds like any military
would where you’re separate from this system and you’re able to defend it. And so
when it’s under attack, you won’t be broken up. Whereas as these things try to get
implemented, if we’re all separated and in separate communities and far away from
each other, we can’t defend each other. And so it’ll be harder to be able to
actually stop these things and oppose these things. But if we’ve combined together in
these communities and we’re not dependent upon the system, then we can stand up in
a more effective manner against these things. So it’s not like I’m just saying, hey,
go build, you know, go hide in your cave with your friends and let all the stuff,
let the world fall apart. No, what I’m saying is you’re able to fight these things
more effectively when you are separate in these communities and following the
principles that have established free people in the past.
And then because you are following the principles that free people have followed
before and that establishes a free people you will be able to more effectively fight
the conspiracy and so I’m gonna look at the chat as we go through and anybody ask
questions we’ve got just we got a few minutes before the official meeting is over
so if you’ve got any questions or comments that you’d like to share right now go
ahead and raise your hand and i’ll call on you and we’ll go through and we’ll look
at uh as i’m looking through the chat as well uh
start with alan and then we’ll go to mark hey uh what was the original term that
you called these communities they were you had a general term that you call
intentional communities is what they’re referred to as so So I don’t know if you
heard of a guy here up in Canada. I’ve met his family and stuff. His name is Rebo
Ludwig. He had a problem here in Alberta with the provincial government over surface
rights to oil. So he and his family started up an intentional community that was
loosely based on Dutch Christian reform theology.
And they’re entirely off -grid and self -reliant. And I visited the community,
and I’m a city guy. I can’t handle it. There’s hard, hard physical work involved
and stuff like this, you know? So much as I admire their community and what they’re
doing and stuff like that, what we need to look at is creating an off -the -mainline
digital community for people who are
because we’re already being what do you call it?
Tribalized by online social media and stuff like that and rather than use them and
I and I posted this little joke about Zoom because I I just looked at Zoom for
the first time my my Zoom display and it had version number 666 so I thought Ha
ha ha.
and passes it on, kind of like Apple Air Tags, but it’s not proprietary. It’s open
source and not owned by anybody. So these type of technologies,
to me, look to the possibility of creating a virtual intentional community.
Great. Thank you. Yeah, there’s definitely more things that we can put into this and
wherever people are at is where they should go. Mark. Yes, I’m going to play the
devil’s advocate a little bit because I think it’s important. First of all, I
support all this independence, effort to be independence. I think it’s great.
The prepper argument goes along the same line of what I’ve got my devil’s advocate
position here.
What we’re facing, this was a debate off and on on Kay Dahlia Show.
And there’s a lot of people that believe that you could be so independent or so
prepared, even a decade or food stored away and so forth, that they no longer make
an effort to fight tyranny. And what’s really important, my point here,
is that if you study totalitarianism, modern totalitarianism, The Nazis,
Germany, the Soviets, Soviets, and other communist countries where they practice
totalitarianism. They can’t, because you were using statements like,
we need to separate from others, yes. It doesn’t matter. As long as we produce our
own food, we do our own producing. It doesn’t matter. And totalitarianism,
it may not, it may still matter because what the totalitarians do even though it
can work politically to some extent like digital currency you don’t need digital
currency because you’re self -sufficient but what the condition isn’t going to be just
anarchy or chaos like the bosnia and the balky wars the condition is totalitarianism
they don’t want you to be independent at all and they will use force they and all
you have to do is look at the soviet union and all the other communist satellite
countries and and nazi germany and nazi eastern europe as well they took the food
they stole the food that ukraine was the breadbasket of europe and yet the people
starved to death by you know as many as 14 million were essentially start under
totalitarianism. So even if you are independent, it doesn’t mean they’re not going to
come in and shut you down, steal your food, steal your independence. I think that’s
why, you know, a tree of liberties are not taking, putting all their baskets in
that basket. They’re fighting tyranny. We have to fight tyranny with everything we
can because once totalitarianism here, These independent communities may be fairly easy
for them to disappear when the military is ordered to do so. Any thoughts on what
I said? Yeah, absolutely. If we use our independence as a excuse to be neutralized,
then we’ve missed the entire point. As hopefully that I, especially as I wrap things
up, the point is to be able to build strongholds so that we can be stronger
together and that we can better go on the offense because as we’ve talked about
before, it’s not just about slowing down the tyranny. Our job is to go on the
offense and destroy the tyranny. Our job is to retrench and then be able to, with
that strength, go out and totally obliterate the conspiracy. If you can still eat
and you have shelter, it’s easier to fight from that fortress that it is from a
starving household. And if you’re like, you know, at the same, at starving household,
if they can shut off your power, if they can surround you because all of your
neighbors are, you know, in favor of these things or they’re controlled by these
things and they don’t want to lose their welfare, they’re going to be the first
ones to turn you in. And so there’s so many strategic reasons of why this is an
important step in the overall offensive effort. It’s not retrenchment in the hiding
in the caves. A step. We can’t put all our eggs in this basket.
Well, we can’t put no eggs in the basket.
So, yep, thank you, Mark.
Any other comments?
Ben, one last point. So in the Soviet Union and the German under the Third Reich,
but especially the Soviet Union, there were no Hamlets. There were no independent
communities. They closed everything down and so they control the people. So even if
they had digital currency and so forth, it didn’t matter. So I just want to be
people think that you can run away from this in your country. And we don’t have,
you know, Europeans ran to America.
really specific about that okay an
intentional community is a broad uh term for because you you have like straight up
communists that are building their own intentional communities and so if you google
intentional community you’re going to find a wide variety and so when i was
searching i was searching for uh conservative or you know conservative religious
intentional communities and so that’s you know that’s that’s what i was looking for
as i was giving examples of what we uh shared tonight so then yeah uh would some
of these baskets holding different kinds of eggs?
Would some of these baskets be holding guns and arms?
I’ve never talked about such things before.
I’m just, that was facetious. Absolutely. I mean, that’s our book,
Killing No Murder. I mean, that’s exactly what that is, that is a basket
with eggs, hopefully lots of them, hopefully strong eggs with bulletproof fests on.
Mark, yes. Yes. Do you have any more information about these 50 -year loans,
mortgages, rather? You know, the average house, first -time house fire is like 35
years old. I mean, many of those people are going to be dead before. That’s, well,
that’s, it’s not about ownership. They’re just to make you think you are, but, you
know, it’s perpetual debt. It was just announced yesterday or today. I just heard
about today. The Trump administration came out with it. So I don’t, I don’t have
all the details. It was just a proposal that he put out there to be able to help
with housing affordability. Yeah. More executive order, dictatorship,
I assume. I would imagine, but I don’t, I don’t have the details yet. So, well,
we’re out of time. So let’s go ahead and have our closing prayer. and then
and decide what is best for us and our families.
We ask you bless us that we might have thy spirit and guidance to be with us,
that we might be able to prepare and have a sense of security and that we might
be able to reach out to others around us and create communities of support.
Again, we’re thankful for this opportunity to come together and learn.
Thank you.