Member Training – Data Centers: Building the Future or Building a Surveillance State?

Member training for May 18th 2026

Tonight’s training examines the growing controversy surrounding large-scale data centers, contrasting public promises about economic growth, technological advancement, and national competitiveness with concerns about increased utility costs, water consumption, surveillance capabilities, and the expansion of artificial intelligence infrastructure. The presentation reviews arguments from government officials, technology investors, media reports, and community activists, highlighting disputes over environmental impacts, electricity demand, water usage, transparency, and the role of data centers in supporting AI systems. It ultimately argues that these facilities are not merely technological developments but foundational components of a broader technocratic system that could enable unprecedented levels of data collection, digital monitoring, and centralized control, while encouraging attendees to educate themselves, engage in public advocacy, strengthen local resistance efforts, and pursue greater personal self-reliance.

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TRANSCRIPT

Our Father who art in heaven, we’re grateful for this day, for this evening that we have to meet
and to be able to talk about some of these things going on in the world.
And we ask that you please bless us with thy spirit. Please bless us and help us to understand
these things that are happening and how to confront, how to deal with these things that are
happening in the world today.
These things we ask and we pray for in the name of our Savior, Jesus Christ, amen. It’s been,
we talk about the data centers, been very controversial in all over the country,
wherever they build them, they are very controversial. And so I wanted to cover some of the myths
and some of the realities and what are the facts behind them and what’s really going on, because
you’ve got some different narratives going on and it can be confusing. So I wanted to cover that
because, of course. We perish when we have lack of knowledge. So we need to make sure that we’re
doing all that we can to remedy that. And that our purpose in the Tree of Liberty Society is to
build the understanding of and adherence to the principles that have built free nations and expose
the satanic conspiracy and to build an effective resistance to that conspiracy. So here is a clip
from a well. it’s got several things going on here but this is a the beginning of this clip is from
a recent um uh what they call that uh you know a press briefing with the governor of utah with the
controversy attending the new data center they have planned uh for northern utah I’m so tired of
our country taking years to get stuff done. It’s the dumbest thing ever. We think that taking time
makes things better or safer. It absolutely does not. You get a chance to give your feedback and
then decisions get made. That’s how we have to do stuff in this country and in the state. People
have a chance. We’re hearing from them. They’re hearing from them. Again, I don’t get to make this
decision, but the decision makers will take into account the feedback that they receive and then
they’ll make a decision and then we move forward. We’ve let the You know,
people against virtually everything destroy our country, destroy our industrial base, destroy our
mining base, destroy our housing base, because we can’t build anything in this country anymore. And
those days are over. We’re done with that. And my preferred pronouns are he, him, his.
I promise I’m not part of some grand conspiracy theory.
If you don’t believe me, I promise. So just kind of giving you some background of what kind of guy
this is, if you weren’t already aware of the Utah’s governor and what kind of guy he is.
So he’s very upset about people being against these data centers. And he said,
that time is over. We’re not going to put up with that anymore. We’re just going to do whatever we
want to do.
And so this guy, this is Kevin O’Leary. He’s famous for the TV show Shark Tank.
And he was on Fox News talking about the protests and all of the response to the data center in
northern Utah, because he is the major funder and backer of that data center and all the things
going on there in the northern Utah data center. And I was just right here on the right is the
version that he shows on his social media. And then I just zoomed in to his pink flip flops just to
show you that he’s not a serious person. This is, you know, this guy is supposed to be, you know, a
multimillionaire. And he’s on national television wearing pink flip flops talking about what he’s
about, attacking the people. that are protesting or are opposed to this data center.
Critics say it’s going to disrupt the environment and raise electricity costs. This is the main
argument from Bernie Sanders. And you’re saying that the data center build out is key for America’s
not just economy, but national security. Tell us about it. Yeah, because at the end of the day.
Who would want us to stop building our electrical grid? Who would want to stop us from having
compute capacity to develop AI? Which adversary would want that?
There’s only one. It’s China. We noticed an immediate spike in misinformation on two platforms,
Instagram and X, formerly Twitter. So we dug in. I got my guys to go a deep dig into the IP
addresses, and here’s what we found out. This is fascinating. Party for Socialism and Liberation,
run by somebody called Nivelle Sigum, pounding our social media in disinformation about Utah.
For example, we’re not using any electricity off the grid, Bernie. We’re developing our own power,
and then we’re going to sell it back to the grid to support the people of Utah and the whole U.S.
Another one, People’s Dispatch, Zoe Alexander. Who are you, Zoe? And why are you spitting out all
of this falsehood? But wait, we found two cells inside of Utah. Alliance for a Better Utah.
Taylor Kanach, maybe, and Josh Cantor. I want a forensic audit of who’s funding their platforms.
Who is it? Are they working with the Party for Socialism and Liberation and the People’s Dispatch?
Because the content looks almost identical. And so why is this happening across America? Why every
time we announce national defense in terms of giving us compute power, Do we get pounded by all of
these IP addresses? So these are proxies for the Chinese government, is my argument.
We’ve done stories on Neville Singham, and it’s a U.S.-born tech entrepreneur,
but he turned to be a political activist and has ties to the Communist Party of China.
So what you’re suggesting here is that the CCP is trying to bust up plans for data center build
-outs in the U.S., because if Neville Roy Singham… is behind some of those people the critics
argue that he’s basically aligned with the ccp okay
right because so that’s that’s this is the the concept that they’re trying to put out there this is
the the narrative that they want everybody to think just like they did with the patriot act um with
anything that trump does that because you have some leftists opposing that thing that means that
you are a leftist if you oppose it And so they want to smear anyone that is principally based,
opposing what’s really going on at the AI centers, that clearly all of them are communists.
They’re all working for the Communist Party of China and that they should be ignored as far,
far leftists and that nobody rational, nobody reasonable is going to be opposed to these data
centers. And so I want to give you just a few examples.
of individuals that they would then smear as communists, according to this talking point.
Well, this is one way to ensure that people own nothing, as the WEF has long desired. Climate
change, we don’t need that anymore when you’ve got AI and you’ve got data centers. Politicians
could just take your home from you. That’s exactly what’s happening. Which adversary would want
that? There’s only one. It’s China. Well, the data centers get all the energy, all the power.
They get regulatory exemption. They get immunity. And then they get to set all this up,
and they get the land they’re on. I mean, that right there, it’s a giant power grab. And I didn’t
know the numbers, but I knew them, but I didn’t see the latest ones. In fact, I had it yesterday
stacked. I put it there in the stack. Just pull it back up. It showed in a graph from the Wall
Street Journal.
U.S. already has the most data centers, but projected, it’s like three times more than everybody
else. This is cuckoo town. While they tell you, you can’t have a car, you can’t go on vacation,
you can’t have an air conditioner, you can’t have a dog or cat. I saw the effect, I’m going to post
it today. The BBC is like, get a turtle, get a lizard. Dogs and cats eat meat. That’s bad for the
earth. What? Your dog and cat can’t live. You can’t have a dog or cat. But there’s data centers,
you know, there are hundreds of square miles or whatever. They get everything. Which adversary
would want that? There’s only one. It’s China.
Which adversary would want that?
There’s only one. It’s China. So again, right, so you’re claiming that anybody that would be
against these data centers is working for China. It reminds me of a few years ago when everything
was about Russia. If you didn’t like what, you know, the people in power at that time were in favor
of, you were obviously a Russian bot or Russian troll. And so it’s always, you know,
they always want to use these obviously authoritarian dictatorships to smear anyone that opposes
them. And when it’s them, that’s actually the the the would be authoritarian dictator.
And so but it’s very clear that obviously there are lots of people that are not commies that are
against these data centers. And so we need to make sure that we are aware of the talking points so
that we do not fall for them ourselves. That’s the first thing. Right. An effective opposition to
what’s going on is to understand. the talking points so that we don’t fall for them ourselves.
And so here’s another popular one is, but, you know, if we don’t build these data centers,
the Chinese will win the AI Cold War. And I’m telling you, what you should do is say,
I want Kevin Allure to succeed. I want him to beat the Chinese and compute power.
Okay, so you can see there, this is, I’m just going to press pause real quick, is that there’s over
4,000 data centers in the United States versus China at less than 400,
okay? So the United States has over 1,000% more data centers than China.
There’s no data storage or AI race, okay? There’s no race on this at all.
We’ve obliterated every other country in the world. So this fear tactic to get you to support this
is to say that there’s this huge, there’s this like an arms race, like the Cold War.
They’re trying to bring up that old rhetoric of the Cold War to say that if we don’t hurry up and
build all of these data centers, then we are going to lose to China and China is going to have all
of the power and they’re basically going to rule the world. Mark, yes. You got to mute.
I keep forgetting. You’re not, of course, suggesting that Chinese people aren’t being surveilled.
There’s many ways of surveillance. They have cameras everywhere. But you’re just saying in this one
area, the U.S. is way ahead in terms of totalitarian surveillance. Exactly.
Yeah. So with the data centers, right, we have more by, you know,
a thousand percent more than any other country on the planet. So that no,
that is not saying that. Other countries are better than us by any stretch of the imagination. I’m
just saying that this is a lie to get Americans to be afraid so that they support this
infrastructure.
Does that answer your question, Mark? Yes. Great. Denise,
yes.
You got to unmute.
What are these data centers about? We’re going to get to that. Okay. Just laying the foundation of
where we’re going. Okay. So yeah, feel free to ask questions or pop in.
So what’s the promise, right? Because there is a lot of pushback.
And so you have a lot of different communities pushing back against these data centers. And so the
industry, all of these big tech companies are pushing back. You have Amazon,
you have Meta, all of these different X, all these different companies trying to do this.
And so Amazon, they released a study. that showed that its data centers actually drove down prices.
By introducing a massive new customer, the company argues, it helps spread out the cost of
maintaining existing infrastructure. So they are pushing back against the idea that,
well, we have this supply because of basic economic supply and demand. You have people concerned
that we have a huge boost of demand.
We have every summer, especially in hotter areas,
California, Arizona, Utah, you have the electric companies threatening or actually imposing rolling
blackouts to conserve the power. And so if we don’t have power now and we have an increase in
demand of power, then that just means that the prices are going to go up. And so now you have the
PR team at Amazon saying, No. And because we have new customers,
it’s going to drive down prices. Well, that’s ridiculous. First of all, just before I look at the
data, because everywhere you have a monopoly of power companies.
So they’re not actually bringing in like a competing power company. And so now they have to lower
their prices to compete. No, they’re just draining the same power grid and they’re just.
They’re just adding new customers to it. So now we have the same exact supply and but a new but new
customers that are eating up more than anybody else. Like most of these data centers actually,
especially these mega ones that they’re planning, eat up more electricity than the entire state
they’re moving to is already using as a whole. And so it’s just it falls flat when you look at the
actual arguments. But the data itself like. Here in this example of Ohio,
where Amazon was talking about, when they moved in, the actual the bills actually went up,
which makes sense when you look at it. And so the other promise is about water usage and water
usage reporting requirements. Many states are also advancing bills requiring data centers to report
water usage, an issue the federal executive order does not address. because Trump did an executive
order basically mandating these things. Although the order directs EPA review of the Clean Water
Act, the law governs discharge of pollutants into water, not water, consumption,
or conservation. States, on the other hand, have been increasingly focused on gathering data
related to water consumption by data centers. So they want to say, oh, we’re just going to be
recycling the water. We’re not actually going to be consuming the water. And so you guys don’t need
to worry about that. That’s the promise. Here’s another example from a news report discussing this.
I think it was in Ohio. The proposed project sale data center in Coweta County would be bigger
than. all the terminals at Hartsfield-Jackson combined. It’s going to put pressure on the county
water supply. There’s no doubt about it. Water might not be the first thing you think of when you
look at big, hyperscale data centers like this Google facility in Douglas County. But most data
centers rely on lots of water to cool the systems. Nothing uses water or energy the way the data
centers do. Chris Manganiello from the Chattahoochee Riverkeeper has been trying to get hard
numbers to answer a pretty basic question. How will the operations… data centers, you know,
affect a community’s water supply. Take that Douglas County Google site. We filed open records
requests for the agreement between Google and the county. All references to water use specifics to
water requirements throughout the document are blacked out, redacted, secret. Same for a Microsoft
data center, the numbers for water use hidden. Our open records request even turned up an NDA,
non-disclosure agreement with Microsoft, and this agreement even has a company name redacted.
Dan Diorio is with the industry group that represents data centers. They are responsible and
efficient water users. He says those proposed water numbers don’t tell the full story, that much of
the water brought in each day is returned to the water system. Let’s go back again to that Douglas
County Center. Google says it built special systems to be able to use 100% recycled water there.
The average data center is going to use less water than the average golf course. The data center
industry, just like any other industry, has to consider confidentiality in terms of protecting
proprietary and competitive information. We are fully committed to paying our full cost of service,
both for electricity and water. OK, so he goes to talk.
He’s saying that, you know, using talking points like we use less water than a than a golf course,
but which is the same talking point you’re going to hear. As you listen to these arguments over and
over again, that is the one that they will all bring up. But he’s defending the idea of redacting
how much water they’re going to be consuming and even the name of the companies as a way to protect
industry secrets. But that’s public water supply.
And so that’s not an industry secret. letting the people know how much water is going to be used,
but now that’s a secret that they do not want the public to know. We’ll go to Mark first,
then Carmen.
Yes, in the area of southern Utah I live, they did a breakdown of water usage by industries,
and by far the largest in our area is farming, and I think it’s approximately three-quarters of
all water usage. Second, Before the people, before the residents and so forth,
number two was golf courses. So golf courses, whether if they’re lying to us or not about those
stats, golf courses are often a very big industry that’s using water.
For sure, for sure. But I would say it’s a distraction. We’ll get to that in a second. But yeah,
thank you. Yes, Carmen. You will be covering what they’re using the water for?
Well, they’re using the water for cooling the computers. That’s what it’s for.
I was trying to think. Maybe they got a lot of people using the potties, huh? It’s for cooling the
computers.
I’d love if anybody has any information on anything else more nefarious than that,
but I think that’s not nothing, and I’m going to show you why that’s not nothing in a second.
I have a computer here in my home. Yeah. My computer does not consume water.
Your computer doesn’t spy on everybody in America. And it’s tiny compared to the computers that
they’re using. These computers are, you know, think of like the 50s computers, right? But doing a
gajillion, you know, infinitely more data processing. And so your computer,
to keep it cool, has a little fan in it. And when you’re talking about computers that big, the fan
consumption, it was just then the amount of fans that you would need to cool off the computers,
then you would need fans to cool off those fans. And so it would just be this. It wouldn’t work and
it would consume even more power. And so they have to use water as a coolant.
Thank you. Yep.
OK, so what the reality is, right, we can see this in this article in Politico. Politico,
a data center drained 30 million gallons of water unnoticed until residents complained about low
water pressure. Residents in Fayetteville, Georgia noticed low water pressure last year.
The utility discovered two unaccounted for water connections at one of the nation’s largest data
center campuses.
Outrage started bubbling up last year when residents of an affluent subdivision named Annalise Park
in Fayetteville, Georgia, noticed their water pressure was unusually low. When the county utility
investigated, officials discovered two industrial scale water hookups feeding a data center campus
located 20 miles south of downtown Atlanta. One water connection had been installed without the
utility’s knowledge. And the other was not linked to the company’s account and therefore wasn’t
being billed. So the data center stole 30 million gallons of water.
They hooked up to the water system and stole 30 million gallons of water without even,
you know, did it surreptitiously so that the water company wouldn’t know.
And then the other, so they have these two different connections to it. So they’re claiming that,
oh, this is going to be. something that we use hardly any water. It’s all going to be recycled
within. But we see here that no, they’re just stealing the water. So that way they don’t have to
report how much water they’re being used. I don’t think they care about the money. I don’t think
it’s a money savings. I think it’s because look what happened. How much water they are using,
the idea that they’re not going to be using any additional water is preposterous because they’ve
used so much that people’s water pressure decreased.
That doesn’t happen when your farmers are watering the crops.
That doesn’t happen when the golf course is watering the grass. But that does happen regularly with
these data centers because they’re using so much water. This is a video of another.
This isn’t even in Georgia. This is another location of a different data center having the same
issues. This is my cold water pressure in the kitchen.
This is where I fill up water for storage. Those are the things we have to fill up to flush the
toilets. So you can see the sediment from the data center. Wow. And that’s just from the water
coming out of your faucet. Yeah. And this is what’s in all pipes. Just the well itself is probably
$20,000. And that’s not counting any of the faucets. All the replacement of the fixtures and
faucets, toilets and the lines that come underneath the house. Our data center is going to drive up
energy costs for residents across the state. On May 1st,
Georgia Power residential rate payers experienced a 24% rate increase. Just since 2023,
Georgia Power. has raised rates six times okay
so we see the first thing right another example of water um the water pressure being uh affected by
that but not only that the sediment so that the things coming out of the data centers is uh
polluting the water and so the water that comes into people’s homes is now what they’re drinking
and is damaging Like they said, their well pump was being, not their well pump,
sorry, because that’s from the ground. But the stuff that they use to be able to get the water to
the house and then the appliances that are connected to it are being affected and damaged by the
materials that are coming through the water. And then in Georgia, just like with Ohio, when these
data centers come in, the electrical bill goes up. The electric bill goes up.
Okay. So and then we also not only does it affect the price, but it affects the ability to get the
power. We have here in Fortune magazine talking about 50,000 Lake Tahoe residents have to find a
new power source after their energy source looks to redirect lines to data centers.
Let me just finish this real quick and I’ll get to your question. Nevada Energy, the Nevada utility
that has supplied the bulk of Lake Tahoe’s electricity for decades. told Liberty Utilities,
the small California company that services the region, that it will stop providing power after May
of next year. The reason? Nevada Energy needs the capacity for data centers,
as in the energy supplier for the Lake Tahoe region is telling the utility company that it has less
than a year to find another power source. So not only is it going up because of new demand,
But there’s so much demand, they don’t have enough to send to residents because they are sending
all of the power to the data centers, which, you know, we’re talking about the rolling blackouts
that states already have now during the summertime. Just imagine as these data centers keep popping
up. Connelly’s. So back to that video,
those people were on a well, correct? They talked about a well, but there was something that was
connected to the water supply that was coming, being redirected from the data center.
Well, because if they’re on a well, they’re not connected to any city water. So then these things
are not only just affecting city water, but if you’re on a well thinking you’re safe from having to
deal with city issues, they still affect wells then. That’s what it seems like, unless he’s talking
about a different… system he has for delivering the water. I’m not sure which, but yeah,
either way, bad news.
Uh, Brittany,
Brittany says
your mic’s on, but I’m not hearing you.
Sorry. I’m not sure what’s, what’s going on. But if you, if you got something, raise your hand
again and we’ll see if you can figure out what your, your mic problem is. So, but they’re,
they’re taking away the power from the people. So we also have a, um, obvious coordinated talking
points. where now you have, in the beginning, I showed everyone how you had Kevin O’Leary accusing
everybody that opposed it as being an agent for the communist Chinese. Social media,
we have another way to be able to silence people because you don’t have a debate,
right? You can’t argue the facts on the facts themselves. You can’t use the data to make your
point. So you have to name call. say they’re agents of China, or this.
Data centers are an IQ test. You can judge how intelligent someone is by how much they hate data
centers. The greater the hate, the lower the intelligence. I’m starting to realize that the whole
data center thing is a massive societal IQ test. Hating data centers really has become an IQ test.
Hating data centers is an IQ test. Not sure I’ve seen an issue that cleaves on IQ as well as data
centers. Nearly everyone against them is retarded. So you don’t have this many people saying hating
data centers equals you’re dumb. This is, I mean, just randomly, this is a concerted talking point
that is being fed to these people on social media to get them to try and silence people by calling
them stupid. So they’re not going to debate the issue. They’re just going to say you’re too dumb
and you just need to shut up now. Mark, yes. Well,
you’ve given me a reason to glorify my low IQ.
But the point I want to make here is that, yes, they’re calling us communists that oppose these.
And the irony is they’re using them to establish communism, totalitarianism in America,
total surveillance. So what irony, you’re a communist, you oppose them. So let us get out of our
way so we can impose communism on you. It’s the typical tactic of accuse your enemy of doing what
you’re doing. Yeah, yeah.
Freud called that transference as one of the defense mechanisms that he identified,
Sigmund Freud.
So what’s the end game? Getting back to the question earlier, data centers feed the surveillance
state. They cannot have their prison planet without the data centers.
They’ve been able to do a lot, right? You have the NSA data center in Utah as well. And that gave
them a huge jumpstart to being able to implement what they want to do.
But even with that by itself, it’s not enough to be able to do everything that they need to do and
want to do to build the surveillance state. And so they need all of this to be able to build the
tyranny. And so the end game is laid out in the book Technocracy. This is the study course.
And I mentioned in the previous training on the North American Union, and it has seven requirements
to implement. The first one, the first two is demanded a continuous 24 hour registration.
of all energy conversion and consumption so the amount of data you need to be able to do that is
insane right worldwide uh three through six of the requirements uh demanded a comprehensive
inventory of all production all consumption in every individual in the system including a record
and description of the individual okay all consumption all production of every individual can you
imagine the the data storage that is going to be required to be able to implement this.
The seventh requirement specified that every member of the population must be included.
No exceptions and no opt outs. That is that is the end game of technocracy.
And so Patrick Wood, in this new issue of the New American magazine,
highly encourage all of us to get a copy of this. It’s available at the New American website.
You can get a. a digital copy of it or a physical copy of it. But Patrick Wood’s article in this
issue of the New American lays out this technocracy and that’s how it’s going to do it.
He says the modern digital control grid operates on three layers. The first is programmable digital
currency. When the Genius Act was signed into law in July of 2025,
it created the first federal regulatory framework for stablecoins, privately issued digital dollars
backed by U.S. Treasury securities. These are not neutral instruments of exchange like cash.
They are programmable. The issuer can embed conditions into the code,
what you can buy, where you can buy it, when you can buy it, and from whom. If the platform
operator decides to freeze your wallet, restrict your purchases, or revoke your access,
there is no constitutional protection because the stablecoin is classified as a private sector
financial product, not a government currency. And in fact,
there is a bill going through Congress right now, HB 3633.
the Digital Asset Market Clarity Act of 2025. It’s passed the House and has passed the first
committee in the Senate. And Trump wants to sign it by July 4th of this year.
And what it would do is it would completely remove all, amongst other things,
it would remove all anonymity from the cryptocurrency exchanges.
You would have to have your government ID on your wallet to be able to add digital currencies to
your digital wallet, to be able to buy, to be able to sell, to be able to receive the digital
currencies. All of it would have to be tracked by the government so that they could be able to
supposedly go after terrorists and whatnot. But it removes the whole idea behind,
the whole selling point. of these digital currencies was to have anonymity but this new legislation
amongst other things would totally remove that so it would start to really take the next step of
the genius act in the implementation of the technocracy next we have the second layer is asset
tokenization when blackrock ceo larry fink cfr declares that every stock every bond every fund
every asset can be tokenized. He is describing the conversion of all tangible property into digital
tokens on a blockchain. In practice, it means you hold a speculative financial instrument that
exists entirely within the rules of a platform that you did not build and cannot influence.
You cannot live in your fraction of a building. You cannot will it to your children as a family
inheritance. You cannot defend it. If the platform operator delists the token,
adjusts the smart contract, or revokes access, your ownership so-called evaporates.
This is the abolition of private property dressed in the language of financial innovation.
The third layer is digital identity. When a biometric or credential-based ID is required to access
the currency platform and the tokenized asset marketplace, Every participant becomes a known,
tracked, and permissioned entity within the system. Access to property,
commerce, and economic life becomes conditional on maintaining your standing within the identity
framework, aka the social credit score system.
The convergence of these three layers, programmable money, tokenized assets,
and digital identity produces a closed system. in which nothing needs to be confiscated because
nothing is ever truly owned.
So what do we do? How do we act to stop this?
How do we act to protect ourselves from this? There are three things that we start with. The first
one is to expose the data centers for what they are. I’ll be doing another follow-up to this,
talking about states that are implementing additional parts of this.
that is necessary because without the data centers, none of this is possible.
We stop the data centers and we stop the technocracy. It doesn’t happen otherwise.
So we expose them for what they are. They need to lose their credibility. When people say you’re
dumb or you’re against progress, they use up things like, well,
then you would have been against the wheel. You would have been against the horseless carriage.
you know, all of these different things that they’re going to say you’re against, you can expose
them for what they are. The second thing that we need to do is that public officials must receive
proper persuasion at their homes, businesses, and their places of official capacity.
So like the Capitol building, et cetera, those places. They need to know,
right? There was a video, I don’t know if anybody saw it, of Lee Perry, who was is a former Highway
Patrol representative, as well as a former state legislator and current Box Elder County
commissioner. He was on the news crying about people being in front of his home,
intimidating his family. Right. So he’s over there building the total dictatorship and he’s whining
because people are in front of his house. carrying signs, protesting as if,
you know, as if that is worse than what he’s doing. And so that is clearly something that they’re
afraid of. They’ve passed laws against it. So technically they can arrest anybody in front of a
government official’s house for doing what they’re doing, but that we just have to nullify that.
That’s okay. We just need to, that is something they’re afraid of, which is mean that’s, that means
that’s what we have to do.
The third one is, yes. Yes, number two, to a large extent,
is what Madison, one of the four points of nullification that Madison recommended.
Petition. Being disquietous is the word he used, yes. Yes. Yep.
And the third one is to put spokes in their wheel of data center operations.
So, right, when you put a spoke, you have a wheel. and it has like a bicycle wheel with spokes and
i mean and you you put a uh you put a stick in it and it stops the bike from moving right and so um
without getting into more specific things while we’re online um i think that that kind of kind of
speaks for itself on what I’m talking about there is things should be done to make sure that their
operations, if they’re not going to listen to us, then we have to interpose,
right? That’s the second one. Nullification is the first. Second is interpose. You stand between
the government and the people that are being abused and stop it from happening.
So that’s what I’m talking about, interposition. Fourth is that we must never be dependent on the
grid for our sustenance. So in case the other ones fail,
right, at least we are free. We are able to feed ourselves. We are able to house ourselves because
we are not dependent. We’re not living in, you know, apartments.
We’re not living in townhomes. We’re living in areas where we are able to
produce things ourselves. We don’t need the government for water. We don’t need the government in
the grocery store for food. We don’t need to be a part of their technocracy because we have been
able to do everything outside of their system. And so it’s essential that we are working on that as
much as we are working on the others. It’s not an either or, it is both.
Mark, yes. I think it’s important we not get a lot of comfort in number four.
Because even if we are independent of the government, doesn’t mean they’re going to be independent
of us. They can still come and shoot us. They can still come and enslave us, put us in detention
camps, execute us and things like that. So that’s something that might be of value,
but it also may not be of value. And both of them, because if we are not,
as these things are being implemented, We will not be able to fight as hard if we’re dependent on
our good social credit score to be able to live. And so both of those things buy us time.
Right. And so I think we have to do all of those things, like I said. And again, when it comes down
to it, we’ve got to be willing to do what the founding fathers did.
Yeah. But somebody like you that’s done a lot of good things for liberty is a dangerous person.
So they just might pick you up and your family right away at the beginning.
So you may not have that option.
But yeah, the Lord will do what he wants, right? That’s right.
Let’s see. We’ve got a few minutes left. I’m going to look in the chat for questions and comments
and go through those. But all the ones that say just FYI right now,
all the ones in there. They say TLS. That’s Rod. So just make sure you know who’s talking.
I’m going to go through that, though. So if anybody has any questions, raise your hand and I’ll
call on you. Mark again. Yes. Yeah. Several things. I’ll go quickly.
First of all, one of the exposures is the illegality of surveilling. The federal government has no
authority to surveil us at all. FISA is a completely unconstitutional,
illegal bill. And a lot of people. think that the only way we can stop this is these town hall
meetings, these petitioning your local officials and so forth, when right now they’re renewing,
about ready to renew FISA. And FISA is the old surveillance of your emails,
of your text messages, your cell phone, your computer usage, all of that is in FISA.
It allows it to happen without warrant. And that’s what Trump and Johnson are working so heavily to
get those 10 or so Republicans, or I guess it’s up to 20, to change their votes so they can pass
FISA. So, you know, the local authorities, the state authorities often say, well, we’re doing it
because the federal government wants it and they have the authority. And no, they do not.
I challenge anybody in this universe to show me where the… given to the federal government to
surveil any American without a warrant.
Any thoughts on that? I agree. Yeah, and one other thing.
You know, at the beginning, they were giving all those ridiculous excuses why we have to have these
centers. So one of the things they don’t, you know, one of them brought up knowledge.
They used the word knowledge. The communists want to… us from having knowledge.
And nowhere is the tyranny involved in these, the necessity of surveillance for tyranny ever
mentioned. And so we have to keep pointing that out. It’s extremely important that we all know that
in a police state or to establish a police state, you have to have a complete surveillance or
virtual complete surveillance of the people. All totalitarian countries in modern times and Nazi
Germany and Soviet Union and their satellite countries they’ve conquered,
they had a huge surveillance state. That’s why they were always, you’ll see it in the movies or the
books, when you read about it, they’re always asking people for their papers. You can’t get on a,
you couldn’t get on a train without showing your papers. The papers were the main, means of
surveillance now they have the technology to have much better surveillance so the point there is we
all need to know surveillance is just as bad as the police state because you have to have that to
to create a totalitarian police state any thoughts yeah i agree one last point you know you so we
brought up cell phones emails texting but you’re bringing up something else this energy that’s
necessary to surveil is necessary for the enslavement process. What you were talking about,
the data, excuse me, the digital data, assessing what you buy,
what you sell, and all that, that is enslavement. So it’s surveilling you so they know what you’re
doing and so forth is part of what they’re surveilling. The other aspect is they’re surveilling you
in ways to determine, to limit your freedom. Do you understand the distinction I’m making there?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Yep. Rod?
Yeah, I just wanted to say that a major faux pas that a lot of people operate under is the belief
that the Constitution still exists because it really doesn’t. It’s a piece of paper and paper
doesn’t enforce itself, right? You’ve said that before. Yep. And the people have not been diligent
in enforcing it. We’ve let them run roughshod all over the whole thing and rip it to shreds.
It literally doesn’t exist anymore because it does not constrain the government anymore.
They literally do anything they want. And I think that was illustrated very well with the examples
that you shared tonight with the data center stuff. I mean, they make you power companies and
stuff, monopolies, right? And then now they can just turn around and say, oh, well. we’re going to
give all the power to the data center now, right? They can literally do anything they want. So
there’s no other laws we’re going to put in place that’s going to constrain them because rule
breakers aren’t going to be constrained by rules. Right. Yeah. Well, that’s why we have to do those
things that I laid out because those are the… things that are going to work. We have to do
everything we can to stop it from happening. And I think that that’s an important part because the
environmental impacts, those are all a distraction from the technocracy that I’m talking about
because they will always have, they’re like, okay, okay, okay. We’ll make rules on environmental
regulations. We’ll make sure that the water’s spotless as it comes out. Oh, we’ll make sure that we
don’t drain and we’ll refill the Salt Lake. uh you know we’ll run hoses and salinization from uh
the pacific ocean and we’ll pay for it all all the way to you know from the pacific to the salt
lake and you know we’ll make sure that we’re giving everybody free electricity they’ll do whatever
they can to sell you to get rid of the arguments on the environment and electrical grid and prices
because the real goal is the technocracy everything else is extreme that we really shouldn’t focus
on because they’ll solve that problem that’s not that’s not that’s not The issue is the
technocracy. Yes, but what is technocracy? It’s a means to tyranny.
So even that, you have to break it down further. Yeah, I was using it synonymously,
but yes. I’ll go to Brittany first and then back to you, Mark. Brittany, go ahead.
Okay, hopefully, is my mic working? Can you guys hear me now? I can hear you, yes. Okay, good.
Okay. Uh, I don’t know. Sometimes I just got to play with it. Um, anyways, I was just going to
bring up, um, I know you just kind of said that that’s not the focus. It needs to be more towards
stenocracy, but, um, there’s a lot of articles in the area that we moved into, uh, about it’s,
it’s the, where they’re dumping the water afterwards and how, how many nitrates it has in it and
stuff. And, and they say they’re going to do things about it, but they don’t. i mean they literally
don’t they they make promises to the area and to the counties um it’s morrow county is kind of
where i’m working and um which we don’t live in morrow county we live in a different county we live
in benton county but yeah um but it’s a different state so because i work in oregon and then we
live in washington side so um they’re dumping it back in so when we were talking about the water
going back into the wells it’s in the farmland that’s nearby my school that i work for um the
reclamation that they create they they basically take the water back that has been cycled through
the system right and then it gets dumped into this reclamation area and they say oh well we put
this tarp over it and it’s supposed to like um evaporate all the bad things out of the water um but
they don’t um the particles are too big to evaporate and so what ends up happening is they end up
using that water and putting it back over crops so it’s not just going into the ground well water
it’s also going into the food that’s being produced in the area which is heavily like potatoes and
onions and like staple food um is what’s being grown in the region that we’re working and living
right now and um and not only that but like there’s all these like nefarious people that are
involved in setting up these data centers too like it’s not just like the fact that they’re
creating this tenocracy they’re they’re doing it through completely radical means like the way that
the one that even came in to be in this area was like through a backdoor deal with like an energy
company and then like a um a fiber optic company and and that’s how they got it to be built in the
area and it’s just crazy to me and then not only are they doing that they are coming to my school
okay because we are a title one like very poor area okay they had amazon web services i’m not even
joking you coming three times just this month to recruit seniors to come and work for their
companies so that they can go in early on and get a job right away so that so that they don’t want
those people to go against them It’s like an entire ploy. Well, we’re the ones giving you jobs.
And we’re the ones providing all these things for your families. You can’t come attack us because
they make them sign an NDA. The minute they start working for them, these kids work at 18 years
old. The minute they start working for them, you can’t tell anybody anything. And it’s done on
purpose. I went and listened to one of the meetings. Um, actually I talked to one of my friends who
listened to it and she was telling me how wild the things that they were saying to them and how,
Oh, well, we’re going to help you do this and we’re going to help you that. And we’re going to give
you money for this and this and this, but you’re, you do have to sign this when you come in and you
do have to do, do exactly as you’re told and only go to the places we tell you. And I was like,
you’re telling them these things like what? So I just. It’s a lot more there.
It’s a lot more evil than I feel like we even touched on today. Oh, for sure. There’s so many
aspects that are just mind boggling.
I think that’ll help too. People that don’t understand the danger of the technocracy, we can tell
them what you just showed. We can show them, and I gave some examples in the training,
that these guys are just liars. And so any promise they make you is,
is, is void. It doesn’t even matter because they’re liars. They, they make all these promises about
water and what do they do? They just steal the water. They, it doesn’t even matter. Like they,
they, everything that they say is a lie to get what they want. And so that’s,
that’s another part that we can help to expose them. That’s right. We talk about you expose them to
help them lose, to make them lose their. legitimacy, right? Because if you can prove that they’re a
liar, no promise they make is going to satisfy people because they’re liars.
And that’s what we need to do. Yeah. I have one more point about the moral counter thing.
So I have a couple of students, I kind of went off one day about AI and how frustrated I am with
these kids trying to use it for everything. And I told them, I said, you know, you realize how much
water it uses every time you put in a couple prompts, right? Like anywhere between five to 50
prompts, depending on where it’s drawing the data from, can use up to like a 16 ounce bottle of
water in just one session. And these kids were like, what? Are you serious?
And I was like, yeah, it uses a lot of water. Like if any of you guys care about anything, I was
like. Maybe stop using AI so much just for the fact that you’re killing all your water sources.
And I had a girl who told me, she said her aunt lives in Morrow County. And she’s one of those
people that was affected by the groundwater that was getting into her well water. And she was
promised that they were going to deliver water to her daily. And they stopped after six months.
Yep. And so she told, she looked at me and she’s like, everything they say is a lie mistake. And I
was like, yeah, it is a hundred percent. It’s a lie. And so she is like all on board with all these
things that, cause you know, I get on my soapbox every once in a while and I say. you know, my
comments that I say, and I try to get them to fight the conspiracy and try to do things right. And
just try to get them to start thinking critically, because if they don’t start seeing the lies,
then they’re just going to continue to fall down the same traps that the rest of the society is
trying to fall into and being programmed into. And they don’t want to see it. They don’t want to,
they don’t want to do anything about it. But these kids are the ones whose lives are fully being
affected more so than even ours at this point, because they’re the ones that are, have their whole
lives ahead of them. Like they’re. Their jobs are going to be affected. Where they live is going to
be affected. How they get their food is going to be affected. What types of ailments they’re going
to have just because of the crap that’s getting put in the water.
Yeah, they’re having miscarriages and cancers that develop that shouldn’t even develop. So the
articles I put in the chat kind of show those personal stories that people were saying in that
area.
Hey, Rod, if you can save those. I don’t know how to save the chat.
Maybe I can figure that out. Oh, save the chat to file. Okay. I just done did it.
Okay. I just now copied them. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to save.
I opened up each and every link.
And then I’m going to save it later on for myself. Yeah, thanks. Okay. Mark.
Yes. First, I’d like to respond to Rob about the Constitution. First,
I largely agree with you, Rob. The Constitution is being violated everywhere. But most of all,
the checks on tyranny are being violated.
Our right-protecting mechanisms in the Constitution are individual rights, natural rights.
are being almost completely violated. The point I want to make first is that if you talk to
especially Republicans or people call themselves Republicans or conservatives, probably a large
majority would say, oh, they support the execution of the Constitution, the administration of the
Constitution, the enforcement of it. So we have to take advantage of that and point out even to the
point of using the word hypocrisy. point out how the Constitution is being violated almost
everywhere by Republicans and Democrats alike. And they put them on the spot.
You have to make a choice. Do you really want to stand by what you said, which is correct? Do you
support the Constitution and its enforcement or not? Do you support the tyrants,
the subversive that they told you to vote for? The second point is the importance of…
by law.
5,000 years ago, civilizations started realizing you’re not going to have freedom for any length
of time unless you have it in law. And the Romans knew this to a great extent,
and the Greeks to some extent knew this,
and the Mesopotamian different civilizations knew this.
So we have to have law that protects our rights. And it has to be,
of course, look something like the Constitution. So we have to fight for the Constitution. Just
because it’s so largely ignored doesn’t mean we have a responsibility to educate people on what the
costs for posterity and for ourselves and our children are by allowing it to be violated.
I had a question here.
jumps to conclusions without having the evidence but she said something she didn’t present any
evidence supported she said she believes that the centers are being used to as detention of excuse
me the surveillance centers data centers are being used to house as detention centers for illegals
and other and potentially other people Have you heard anything to that effect, any evidence
supporting this? That reminds me of the FEMA camps. You remember a few years ago, they were talking
about turning Walmarts into detention centers. Those types of things get circulated every decade or
so, and they’re always nonsense. They’re always designed to make people lose credibility. Well,
there was a little evidence that there were some FEMA camps. I’ve seen it and so forth. You were
turning to Walmarts and that kind of stuff. Yeah. Right. I saw where they claimed that too.
But that little evidence here, in Kate’s case, he has no evidence she’s presenting. Yeah. I just
wanted to check and see if you heard anything about that. But I think going back to what you were
talking about, I don’t disagree. I don’t think that Rod disagrees either. I think it’s important we
have to help them understand the Constitution so they see how it’s being violated. whole cloth,
right? Just completely being violated. And that the only way to ensure constitutional compliance is
through use of force. Because right now, no other method is working.
Yeah. And so there’s two Vs we have to educate on the Constitution. One is how it’s being violated
completely. And two, the second V is value. what we’re losing by not having it.
And it’s paving the road to misery and suffering and death that it’s hard for most people to even
imagine. We’re a little bit over. I didn’t even look at that. We were getting too much chatting.
Let’s have our closing prayer and we can do open forum. Brittany, would you give our closing prayer
for us? Our kind, gracious Heavenly Father, we are so grateful to be able to have gathered together
today and to be able to learn more about the tenocracy that is happening in the background. And we
ask that we open our hearts and minds to be able to receive the knowledge that is necessary to help
us to fight the conspiracy and to also be able to find those that are more like-minded and to not
be afraid to open our mouths. be able to tell others about the knowledge that we have learned and
gained. And we ask that thou may be with us in these times that we might be able to have the
strength and courage to do what is asked of us to help build up your kingdom and be able to bring
Christ back again. And we ask that thou may be with us so that we can do these tasks and be able to
find new ways and innovative things to help us along this journey. And we ask for these things in
the name of thy son, Jesus Christ. Amen.